Making sense of more Mashford meanderings

Photo: Parish boundaries of Zeal Monachorum.

 A few possible threads have tied themselves together of late although they are lightly tied in place and may have to be undone should they not be established as fact.

It looks like we can now take the Mashford line back a couple more generations and possibly to the John Mashford of Zeal Monachorum who signed an oath to the King in 1723.
 
"ZEAL MONACHORUM is a village and parish in Taw vale, 8 miles W.N.W. of Crediton, and contains 649 souls, and 2946 acres of land, including the hamlets of Loosebeare or Loxbeare, Burstone, and Tuckingmill. It was anciently called Sele Monachorum, and had the latter part of its name from its being long held by the monastery of Buckfast, to which it was given by King Canute. J.H. Ley, Esq., is now lord of the manor; but Loosebeare belongs to the Kelland family, and Burstone to J. and W. Wreford, Esqrs. Messrs. J. and R. Pedler, John Sweet, and a few smaller owners, have estates in the parish. The Church (St. Peter,) has a tower and five bells; and the living is a rectory, valued in K.B. at £17. 8s. 9d., and in 1831 at £401. The Rev. John Comyns, M.A. of Bishop's Teignton, is the rector, and has sold the patronage to Mr. Tombs. . . . " [From White's Devonshire Directory (1850)] - GenUKI, UK and Ireland Genealogy.

The emails have been flowing thick and fast again of late and Luke wrote:

There are too many people called John Mashford for me to think clearly so I thought I would confirm with the both of you about what we know to make sure I have it right.

We know Elizabeth Mashford’s father was called John Mashford and his dates are c1797-c1836. Is this right? We only think that John Mashford’s father was also called John Mashford who was the Parish Clerk at Coldridge c1799-c1871. However, we have no real proof of this. Is this right?

Photo: Zeal Monachorum 1965.

Ros you mentioned again about the family oral history which passed down to both sides of our family that Elizabeth Mashford was an illegitimate daughter to a wealthy noble man in England and she was sent out to South Australia to stop a scandal. I may have mentioned this before in one of my emails, but cannot remember so I will raise it again. I have found with other family oral history that some of it is true, but it has seemed to have be somewhat twisted over the generations.

For example, I was told that my GGGrandfather Cornelius Clavin lived at Alma Plains and moved to Laura where he died in a tug of war game. It is true that he lived at Alma Plains and that he moved to Laura, but he died when he was drunk in the local pub after a fight with another man. So half the story is true. I was also told that his wife Margaret remarried a man called Cassidy in Laura had more children and then moved to New Zealand. It was true that she remarried another man called Cassidy and had more children, but she moved to Melbourne and not to New Zealand. However, her daughter was also called Margaret Cassidy and she did move to New Zealand. As you said in your last email “stories are usually true, but often about the wrong person - and the wrong time”

I still find it interesting about the story of Elizabeth Mashford being an illegitimate daughter especially as it has survived in both branches of the family, but as we know there is no prove of it. I think may be the story origins arose from Peter Lewis. From the newspapers story of the court case about Peter, Elizabeth and her brother:-

“He made use of the threats complained of on that occasion, and he had circulated the most abominable stories of the witness and his sister. Mrs Lewis stated that she feared her husband would some times put his threats into execution, particularly as he was in the habit of getting drunk purposely to increase his violence.”

Maybe Peter Lewis told stories that his wife was illegitimate. Maybe Elizabeth Mashford would say something along the lines, “And that man use to say that I was an illegitimate daughter.” Over the generations was story then became “grandmother use to say she was illegitimate” and the story has persisted today. It is only a theory, but it could make sense.

I have also sent an email to the National Archives of England. I think I have may have mentioned it before that there is a reference on the National Archives of England website, of the matter of the estate of John Cann Yeoman of Chawleigh and his widow Mary Cann. I really could not work out on their website how to order it or how much it cost. If they email me back and it does not cost a lot of money I will order it to see if I can get any more information about the Cann family.I will let you both know.

Also to let you both know that I have tried to get in contact with possible descendants of Anne Pole nee Atkins (Edward Atkins daughter by his first marriage) and her husband John Pole. I noticed on the white pages that they were a few people with the last name of Pole still living in the Bangor, Wirrabara area. As a result, they may be descendants of Edward Atkins and Hannah McLeod and may have a family bible with information or old photos etc. You never know what people have sometimes. If they write back to me I will let you both know.

Photo: St. Peter's Church, Zeal Monachorum.

The information I had was that the John Mashford who married Mary Cann was the son of John Mashford who married Mary Labbett in Eggesford, Devon in 1796 which would have had him born circa. 1766.

Sandra, the Devon researcher, in the recent exchange posited the following:

The John Mashford mentioned is not either of the two John's mentioned in the previous paragraph although he may be connected to either of our John's.  According to my records, John Mashford married Martha Godbeare 1st February 1702/3 at Zeal Monachorum and was buried there in 1725.  I have found baptisms for five children of this couple, including a John in 1715/16 who is the only surviving son.  That is where the trail goes cold as I, although I have found a marriage for John, junior in 1736, I have only found two children's baptisms (Mary and Henry) - and nothing further about either of the two children.  I THINK, but can not prove, that they also had a son John born around 1743 who became the Parish Clerk at Coldridge and was your progentitor.

So the John Mashford, Parish Clerk at Coldridge, born 1743 could be the father of John Mashford (married Mary Labbett) born circa. 1766 - Elizabeth's grandfather.  If this is the case this would make John Mashford, Parish Clerk, Elizabeth's great-grandfather.

John Mashford, born around 1715/16 could be the father of JM, Parish Clerk and therefore be Elizabeth's great-great-grandfather and the John Mashford who married Martha Godbeare (love that name) at Zeal Monachorum, 1702/3 could be Elizabeth's G3 grandfather. He would have been born circa. 1675-90 I would imagine. This John Mashford died and was buried in Zeal Monachorum in 1725 and it is highly likely that he is the John Mashford recorded as signing an oath of allegiance to the King as previously written about on the blog:

This reminded me of earlier research into the earliest John Mashford I could find, who was recorded in Zeal Monachorum swearing allegiance to the King, in 1723. Zeal Monachorum is barely four miles from Coldridge which makes him a very likely ancestor for our lot and a possible shared ancestor for Albert's family.

John Mashford of Zeal Monachorum swore his oath nearly one hundred years before Elizabeth was born at The Blue Anchor, Crediton on September 23 before Bampfylde Rodd and John Gibbs esq. There were still some Mashfords in Zeal Monachorum in the 1841 Census.

As to the oral history Luke, regarding Elizabeth, I do agree, as I have said, that stories can be right but about the wrong people at the wrong time. Although interestingly, and I did think this when I first read the Peter Lewis comments, that this does raise some more questions because here is my theory:

When I first read about Peter's 'circulating the most abominable stories of the witness and his sister' I took it to mean he was accusing them of having sexual relations. Which is the most logical sort of abominable one would think of a husband to say about his wife and her brother. And this 'fits' with my theory (and instinct) that Elizabeth Mashford may not have been the biological daughter of John and Mary, but a relation, brought in because she needed a home and George May was therefore not a brother, but a cousin - close or distant.

It is only theory and rather impossible to prove, at least at this point, but the claims Peter Lewis made could be seen in this light. Given how common illegitimacy was in the times and this was the colonies where probably the worst thing you could be was an ex-convict rather than illegitimate, I doubt the 'abominable stories' .... and they are about George and his sister remember.... are about Elizabeth's illegitimacy, particularly if there was knowledge of a 'noble' connection.
 
I know that John and Mary have the birth of a daughter Elizabeth recorded but this does not mean that the child could not have died young and we do not have a death record and our Elizabeth came to take her place at a young age.

Illegitimacy was shameful in the times and the sort of thing to be hidden, not talked about, unless there was a good reason to talk about it such as 'noble connections.' So I don't see that an ordinary illegitimacy would be talked about in the first place, nor have noble connections woven into it over the generations. The two either go together as an absolute or they do not.

A few more Mashford loose ends for the mix

Photo: Zeal Monachorum in winter. The home possibly of our earliest Mashford ancestor.

Another researcher has gotten in touch with us in regard to the Mashfords. She thinks her Albert Langmaid Mashford might be a cousin of our Elizabeth.

It is certainly possible and if that is the case then it might open up some new avenues of research for Elizabeth and her family. Albert is also a Devon Mashford but at this stage it all remains possibles or perhaps probables but not absolutes.

I remain curious about the Elizabeth Mashford as illegitimate daughter of a nobleman story - and thus being forced to leave England for Australia. If I have learned anything it is that these oral histories, or stories, are usually true, but not necessarily about the person to whom they are attributed nor to the time-frame suggested. Getting more information about the Devon Mashfords may actually throw enough light on that story to make sense of it and to finally put it to rest.

There are some synchronicities between our family and these Mashfords which may be merely curiosity value or have more substance: both Albert's  father, Robert and Elizabeth's mother, Mary (Cann) were recorded as publicans in census records and Albert, like Elizabeth's brother, Josiah, was in court for insolvency.

Interestingly Albert and his siblings were also literate and while there is some doubt about the level of Elizabeth's literacy, given the illiteracy of my great-grandmother Mary, it seems that her 'siblings' were literate. This discrepancy as I have said before is one thing which makes me wonder if Elizabeth was the daughter of John Mashford and Mary Cann as opposed to a poor cousin, taken in after the death or departure of their daughter Elizabeth.

That however is conjecture. Literacy levels of family members remain in the realm of conjecture given the times but evidence of literacy does confer upon those involved a higher social status than one might otherwise suppose.

Photo: Tavistock Town Hall.

These new Mashfords are from the Tavistock, Stoke Damerel (Plymouth) and Bickleigh areas as opposed to Coldridge from whence our ancestors came. Interestingly though Tavistock is about half-way in a direct line between Coldridge and Plymouth and Bickleigh is between Tavistock and Plymouth.

This reminded me of earlier research into the earliest John Mashford I could find, who was recorded in Zeal Monachorum swearing allegiance to the King, in 1723. Zeal Monachorum is barely four miles from Coldridge which makes him a very likely ancestor for our lot and a possible shared ancestor for Albert's family.

John Mashford of Zeal Monachorum swore his oath nearly one hundred years before Elizabeth was born at The Blue Anchor, Crediton on September 23 before Bampfylde Rodd and John Gibbs esq. There were still some Mashfords in Zeal Monachorum in the 1841 Census.

The records where John Mashford was found are interesting:

Hidden away amongst the mass of documents created by the Devon Quarter Sessions and now held by the Devon Record Office in Exeter is a little known and seldom consulted series of manuscripts compiled in the aftermath of the Jacobite Atterbury plot of 1720-22. 

These 1723 oath rolls contain the names of over 25,000 Devonians, amounting to some one in five of the adult population of the time. They provide the key to unlocking the history of local communities during the early eighteenth century, as the men and women of the county paraded before the Justices of the Peace in order to swear their loyalty to King George I.

 In their original form they are virtually unusable, with the names of individuals listed in no systematic order. Inhabitants of a single parish can appear on numerous separate oath rolls, with many people swearing at towns and villages some miles from their place of residence. The documents are large, cumbersome, and occasionally difficult to read due to centuries of wear and numerous corrections and crossings out. It is for these reasons that they have been selected as the first in a series of documents to be transcribed and published online as part of the Eighteenth Century Devon: People and Communities project.

They will be of use to local researchers, family historians and scholars engaged in the study of eighteenth century Devon society. As the following overview demonstrates they provide insights into levels of literacy, travel and transportation networks, population distribution and the nature of public political engagement. 

This John Mashford may also be a link for another family researcher with whom I was in touch last year, Sandra Robinson and who wrote:

 I too have a connection with the surname of Mashford - my father's maternal grandmother was Catherine Mashford, born 1849 in Newton Ferrers, near Plymouth.  Incidentally that is also where my father was born!  I can only trace my Mashford line back to a marriage of John Mashford at Kenton, near Exeter, in 1752.  I have no leads as to where John was born, although I suspect that it was in the Coldridge (mid Devon) area. 
 

I note that you also show your interest in the surname of Cann and from that I deduce that you descend from the marriage of John Mashford (son of John Mashford and his wife, Mary Labbatt) and Mary Cann. I am aware that several members of the family emigrated to Australia in the 1840's. John's nephew Joseph (only surviving son of John's brother Josiah) also married a Cann, namely Susan. Their daughter Ellen Jane Mashford married 1887 Charles Gove and emigrated to Queensland, Australia.

I had missed the Josiah link when this email arrived more than a year ago but of course it makes sense given the fact that John and Mary named one of their sons Josiah and the fact that Elizabeth's cousin, Ellen Jane Mashford emigrated to Queensland in 1887 may well also be another link given that Albert Langmaid Mashford had emigrated to Australia, eleven years earlier, disembarking in Brisbane in 1866. He soon moved on to New South Wales and eventually to South Australia but if he was a cousin then the Brisbane connection could make more sense than we know.  

Sandra's family actually provides something of a link between our family and Albert's. Kenton, near Exeter, where she found her John Mashford in 1752 is about twenty miles from Zeal Monachorum and a Coldridge origin, as she suggests is certainly likely. In addition, her maternal grandmother and father were born in Newton Ferrers which is barely eight miles from Plymouth and seventeen miles from Bickleigh where Albert Langmaid Mashford's family are found.  Given the travelling times of the 18th and 19th century these three Mashford families are certainly within reach of each other.


 I have written to her again in regard to Albert and sent her this information in the hope that tying a few threads together from a number of families may actually create something of substance in terms of the Devon Mashfords.


There is also the possibility that after living in New South Wales for four years and then in Victoria for about two years, that Albert made the decision to move to South Australia having heard about opportunities at the Wallaroo Mines through South Australian Mashfords. In 1873 when Albert settled in Wallaroo Elizabeth and her husband Edward Atkins, were living in Wirrabarra, admittedly some 145 kilometres to the north, but in the same State and also involved in the mining industry through the Charlton Mine.

Photo: Bickleigh, Devon.

In the meantime, given how often we connect with people through the blog I am going to post some of the information which Albert Langmaid Mashford's researcher has found.

Marriage

Groom's Name:	Robert Mashford
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name:	Hannah Langmaid
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date:	16 Sep 1836
Marriage Place:	Stoke Damerel,Devon,England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number:	M05242-1
System Origin:	England-ODM
Source Film Number:	916927
Reference Number:

Photo: Coldridge, Devon.

Newspaper articles- transcripts

Barrier Miner (Broken Hill, NSW : 1888 - 1954) Tuesday 28 June 1892 p 2 Family Notices

MARRIAGE.

MASHFORD-BENNETTS.-June 25. at the Primitive Methodist Manse, Broken Hill, by Rev. Samuel Gray, Albert Reginald, fourth son of Mr. Albert Mashford, of Kadina, to Elizabeth Hannah, eldest daughter of Mr. Richard Bennetts, Of Kadina.    

The South Australian Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1858 - 1889) Friday 21 March 1879 p 7 Article

Insolvency Court (listing)

Albert Mashford, of Wallaroo Mines, miner.

South Australian Register (Adelaide, SA : 1839 - 1900) Tuesday 11 March 1879

In re Albert Mashford, of 'Wallaroo Mines, miner; a final hearing. The Accountant's report was as follows: — 'Insolvent only appeared yesterday. The schedule was only filed this morning. Insolvent says that he came to the colony in 1871; that for 1S71 and 1872 he earned £2 per week; for 1873 and 1874 and 1875, 28s. per week; 1878 and 1877. 30s. a week; and for 1877, 1878, and 1879, 35s. per week. Adjourned for a fortnight.

South Australian Register (Adelaide, SA : 1839 - 1900) Wednesday 26 March 1879 Supplement: 

Photo: Wallaroo Mines circa. 1900.

SUPPLEMENT TO THE SOUTH AUSTRALIAN REGISTER p 1 Article

In re Albert Mashford, of Wallaroo Mines, miner; adjourned final hearing. The Accountant reported :— Liabilities, £109 18s. 4d. Assets — Lease of allotment in the Wallaroo Mines township, on which insolvent has built a four roomed pug hut, tank, &c, value doubtful. The insolvent says that he arrived in the early part of August, 1S71, and during 1871 and 1872 earned about £2 a week. During 1S73 and 1874 and 1875 he earned about 2Ss. a week, during 1S76 and 1877 about 30s. a week, and during 1S78 and 1879 about 35s. a week.' Mr. Cherry examined the insolvent, after which he obtained an adjournment for another week. In re Edward Francis Opie, of Aberdeen, mail contractor; adjourned final hearing. Sir. Synson for the insolvent, Mr. A. G. Downer for the assignee. and Mr. Ashton for Mr. William Cockrum. The Accountant reported :—'? Liabilities— Unsecured creditors, £638 18s. 91; secured creditor, Mr. Cockrum. £1,053 18s. Si. =£1,692 17s. 5d. Assets— Seized and sold by Mr. Cockrnm under bill of sale— Coaching horses, £545; farm horses, £100; farm imple ments, £153 ; coach and traps, £140 15s. ; buggy, £20; harness and sundries, £14 14s. 6d=£73 8s. &d. Seized and sold by Mr. Cocburn, but not included in the bill of sale given him— Cattle and pigs, £22 10s.; horses, £100; farm implements and sundries, £93 2a. 6d. ; coaching harness, £9=£224 12s. 6d.=total seizure by Coikrem, £1,198 2s. Twenty-one horses a dray included in bill of sale, £54 5s. ; seven horses, not included, £141 1O3.=£195 15s. Trap at O'Leary's, near Outilpa, included in bill of sale, £20 ; 23 acres at Banbury, purchased, £46 ; estimated value of selection above amount payable to the Goverment, £640 ; claim upon Northern Stage Company, £36 ; property seized by bailiff. £60 18s. Sd; claim upon Liston and Shakes, £18 15s; claim upon Mr. Boase, horse sold, £7 ; book-debts, £152 19s. 7d.=£2,375 10s. 4d. _ Estimated surplus, £632 12s. lid. At the beginning of 1878 the insolvent's coaching plant was valued by Liston & Shakes, and the balance sheet was made out on April 1 on the basis of the valuation, showing a surplus of £1,792 17s. 8d. The subsequent earnings have been.—. From coaches. North-East, £5?$  gj ; Jamestown lme, £204 ; from Northern Stage Company, £12 ; CDS From do., £36 ; carriage of mails orth-E8t, £324; and bonus from J. G. Terry, £'50=jei,S62 6s. Sd. £3,655 4s. 4d; and the expenses: wages, £$23 16s. 2d; forage, £632 16s. lid; sundry expenses, £373 9s. 8d.; interest, £97 3s. 6d.; law coetev, commission, &c, £41 19s. 2d.=£l,669 5s. 5&; Josses on horses dead and a dray, £494 ; on coaches, traps, sc , £467 8s. 9d.=£961 8s. 3d.; living ex penses, £161 17s.; balance of cash cot explained, £381 Oa. 2d.=£2,973 11s. 4d.=£681 13s ; difference in balance, 19s. lid.: estimated surplus, £682 12s. lid. The bill of sale to Mr. Cockrum has not been produced, but insolvent says that it was identical with Liston and Shakes' valuation, and it will be observed that a great deal was sold by Mr. Cockrum which was not in the valuation. The books for the coaching business were regularly kept from April to July 1, 1878.

[full article on file]

The Register (Adelaide, SA : 1901 - 1929) Monday 14 January 1918 p 4 Article

[family notices]

Another pioneer, Mr. Albert Mashford, died at the Wallaroo mines on Tuesday. He was born in Devon, England, in 1842. He and Mrs. Mashford, who predeceased him by six years, came to Australia 52 years ago in the Commodore Perry, and landed at Brisbane, -where he followed the occupation of a miner. Mr. Mashford was similarly engaged in New South Wales and Victoria for seven years, and then settled at the Wallaroo Mines, where he lived for 45 years. Of a family of 10 children, six sons and two daughters are living. There are 20 grandchildren and eight great grand children.

Barrier Miner (Broken Hill, NSW : 1888 - 1954) Tuesday 15 January 1918 p 2 Article

Photo: Wallaroo, South Australia.

Another South Australian pioneer, Mr. Albert Mashford, died at the Wallaroo mines last week (says the "Register"). He was born in Devon, England, in 1842. He and Mrs. Mashford, who predeceased him by six years, came to Australia 52 years ago in the Commodore Perry, and landed at Brisbane: where he followed the occupation of a miner. Mr. Mashford was similarly engaged in New South Wales and Victoria for seven years, and then settled at the Wallaroo mines, where he lived for 45 years. Of a family of 10 children, 8 sons and two daughters are living. There are 20 grandchildren and eight great grandchildren.

The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1931 - 1954) Wednesday 12 August 1942 p 10 Family Notices

MASHFORD (nee Elsie Daddow). —On August 8. at Sister Berry's Private Hospital, to Mr. and Mrs. A. J. Mashford. ot Kadina—a bonny daughter (Margaret Joylene).

Vital Statistics: BDM

(transcripts of BDM records from Ancestry.com)

Birth Record for Ellen Mashford

Name:	Ellen Mashford
Birth Date:	7 Jul 1875
Father's Name:	Albert Langmald Mashford
Mother's name:	Ellen Lukey
Birth Place:	Wallaroo Mines
Registration Place:	Daly, South Australia
Page Number:	195
Volume Number:	154

Death Record for Albert Mashford

Name:	Alfred John Langmead Mashford
Death Place:	South Australia
Registration Year:	1926-1930
Registration Place:	South Australia
Page Number:	225
Volume Number:	491

Photo: Moonta Railway Station, South Australia.

Marriage Record for John Mashford (Albert’s brother)

Name:	John Lukey Mashford
Father's Name:	Albert Langmaid Mashford
Spouse Name:	Lily Olds
Spouse's Father's Name:	William Henry Olds
Marriage Date:	7 Sep 1907
Marriage Place:	Moonta Mines
Registration Place:	Daly, South Australia
Page Number:	1231
Volume Number:	232

Marriage Record for John Mashford (unknown connection?)

Name:	John Mashford
Spouse Name:	Susanna Heanes
Marriage Date:	4 Oct 1847
Marriage Place:	Adelaide
Registration Place:	Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number:	103
Volume Number:	2

Marriage for Alfred John Mashford

Name:	Alfred John Mashford
Father's Name:	Albert Mashford
Spouse Name:	Mary Jane Veal
Spouse's Father's Name:	Edmund Veal
Marriage Date:	13 Aug 1885
Marriage Place:	Kadina
Registration Place:	Daly, South Australia
Page Number:	546
Volume Number:	144

Death Record for Hannah Mashford

Name:	Ellen Mashford
Death Date:	19 Mar 1912
Death Place:	Wallaroo Mines
Age:	68
Residence Place:	Wallaroo Mines
Registration Place:	Daly, South Australia
Page Number:	35
Volume Number:	364
Estimated Birth Year:	abt 1844

Birth Record for Frederick John Mashford

Name:	Frederick John Mashford
Birth Date:	23 Dec 1870
Father's Name:	Robert John Langmald Mashford
Mother's name:	Annie Wearne
Birth Place:	Wallaroo Mines
Registration Place:	Daly, South Australia
Page Number:	430
Volume Number:	90

Birth Record for Ernest Mashford

Name:	Ernest Mashford
Birth Date:	12 Sep 1877
Father's Name:	Albert Mashford
Mother's name:	Ellen Lukey
Birth Place:	Wallaroo Mines
Registration Place:	Daly, South Australia
Page Number:	187
Volume Number:	190

Birth summaries

Name Year Parents Place

Albert Reginald Mashford	1871	Albert, Ellen	Clunes, Victoria
Robert Mashford	1873	Albert, Ellen	Wallaroo Mines, South Australia
Ernest Mashford	1877	Albert, Ellen	Wallaroo Mines, South Australia
Walter Mashford	1880	Albert, Ellen	Wallaroo Mines, South Australia